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Alleged "Ground Zero Mosque"

On Monday no more than half a dozen people were in front of the alleged “Ground Zero Mosque” in lower Manhattan, a contrast to the mobs of dueling protesters there on Sunday. From a distance I took a few shots of a trio, one of whom—given his youthful appearance—might have been an Apprentice Imam. I went over and asked His Holiness if I could take his picture.

“You may NOT,” he replied loudly with considerable vigor. “My religion teaches me that if you take my picture, you steal my SOUL, so absolutely no, I will not give you permission.”

I didn’t want to spoil his day by saying I’d already stolen his soul from across the street, so I said, “Okay, fine, no worries,” and moved on to listen in on an interview Erik Badia of the New York Daily News was conducting with a guy with a sign named Dan Sky.

Sky told Badia that he felt an obligation to make a small effort to combat or at least tone down all the hatred that’s flowing about, not just here at this site, but all over the country. Badia asked how long he intended to keep coming here. “Maybe once or twice a week,” Sky replied, “whatever I can spare from my work.”

“Now, who could object to something so fundamentally American as religious tolerance?" Sky said. "Apparently a hell of a lot of people, and it’s surprising, and deeply disturbing. It was ugly here yesterday."

Glenn Greenwald of Salon had the best comment on the big competing protests on this spot yesterday, here.

Jeanne Noonan, Badia’s photographer, raised her camera and aimed at me the moment I raised my camera and aimed at her. She seemed awfully camera shy, but I understood perfectly. Myself, I feel vastly self-conscious and uncomfortable when someone takes my picture. Behind my own camera peering through the viewfinder, I’m safe and secret as an anonymous observer. I like being safe and secret.

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Thanks, Dalrymple's article is excellent!

“My religion teaches me that if you take my picture, you steal my SOUL, so absolutely no, I will not give you permission.”

(Very conservative Muslims won't allow it, it's true -- but it's not about stealing one's soul!!! He was most likely being facetious. Or just possibly he's misinformed -- sometimes recent reverts get a little zealous in their misinterpretations).

Probably a bit of both. He might have been interviewed by the reporter before I arrived, and had his head filled with excited thoughts of being quoted in the Daily News.

LOL...because I've always been camera-shy, I used to cite my partial NA heritage to say exactly the same thing. Doubtless no more legitimate than this guy. In other news, my country is scaring the crap outta me lately. :O

Yours is not paranoia, merely heightened awareness. There IS something seriously, deeply wrong going on all over the US, and 99 percent of it is totally IRRATIONAL.

Obviously, on Monday people were at work and at school not at the protest center.

There are millions against the building of this mosque who are NOT at the protests.

And if anyone =anti mosque =is reading this we urge you to pray for the conversion of every person that enters the new proposed mosque when it is if it is built on ground zero.

Let's see how tolerant everyone is while we Christians and Jews pray for the conversion of any Muslims who enter that building.

Prayer is still legal. Pray out loud, pray from your heart, pray in silence.

And let's see thousands of muslims convert to Christianity and to Judaism as they enter that property. Pray for it. Pray does work and prayer does change things for the better.

If you pass this information on to ten people , you can spread the word all over the globe.

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“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country.”
- Herman Goering, Nuremberg Trials

This quote is a little off point, but this issue and the American war against an abstraction seem inextricable.

At 15, I had a teacher urge me to study the Vietnam War, claiming that we were involving ourselves in a similar situation. He seems to have been correct, but I’m often left to wonder about a giant omission between Vietnamera and my generation: concern. The draft, I suspect, was partially responsible for the former generation’s protests – and this is why we probably won’t see one. I am perpetually haunted by the insurmountable obstacles before us. This is no longer an issue of protest or urging (forcing?) our leaders, but of changing hearts and longstanding convictions.

What disturbs me most in this particular affair is that the building is an issue at all.

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I didn’t want to spoil his day by saying I’d already stolen his soul from across the street,

LOL Good one---

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